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  What's Thelemic for "Gaia"?
General Thelema Posted by Xnoubis on November 06, 2001 @ 03:51 PM
from the dropping-the-ball dept.

New Scientist has published a brief but thoughful interview with philosopher Mary Midgley. She brings up many points of interest, but what grabbed me was in the opening paragraph: that the concept of Gaia is both good metaphor (i.e., religion) and good science.

If that's so, is there a Thelemic equivalent? Earth often seems to get shorted in our tradition. There are commonly four elements, but only three have paths of their own -- Earth has to share. The sky goddess Nut has her counterpart in the Earth god Geb, but not in the Thelemic recension: Nuit vs. Hadit, with no Earth in sight. Seven classical planets, but Earth isn't among them. And so on. "Thelema to Earth. Come in, Earth..."


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    Re: What's Thelemic for "Gaia"?
    by Fra THA;M on Tuesday November 06, @04:38PM
    "...cases are to be decided by the general value of the contending parties in the scale of Nature. Thus, a tree has a right to its life; but a man
    being more than a tree, he may cut it down for fuel or shelter when need arises. Even so, let him remember that the Law never fails to avenge infractions: as when wanton deforestation has ruined a climate or a soil, or as when the importation of rabbits for a cheap s upply of food has created a plague."

    -'Duty'
    By edward crowley

    Re: What's Thelemic for "Gaia"?THE LITTLE SISTER
    by Aion 131 on Tuesday November 06, @11:26PM
    93

    In hours of such discourse as this among Pagan Tlelemites, we came to the conclusion that Gaia is clearly mentioned in AL by Nuit as:
    " This shall regenerate the world, the little world my sister, my heart & my tongue, unto whom I send this kiss...." Al.I. 53

    In AL.I.32 the Heart & Tongue (Earth) are mentioned also.

    Also:

    ISA is a form of Gaia, as is ASAR (lord of the Earth & crops) a pre-thelemic Shiva & Shakti....but I digress....

    Io Pan

    Aion

    Re: What's Thelemic for "Gaia"?
    by PANKRATES on Wednesday November 07, @08:11AM
    93

    Above is not as below; everything else is a deal (if you are familiar with 7.AeThIR, DEO, you can observe it's name in hebrew: DIL (deal) ).
    At the time we are in the Aeon of Fire - above, RVACh ALHIM, and this is the reason for earth's, which is below, lesser importance. Allthough, earth has allways been and allways will be (or until it has any observing intelligence above it), and it's nature changes thoroughout the times, like that of gods.
    Yet, even now we love her so much, to have sent it the kiss, the covenant of dissolution, the Deal of Will. By the way, D(Empress) of W(Hierofant):
    II,16: I am the Empress & the Hierophant. Thus eleven, as my bride is eleven.

    93

    Re: What's Thelemic for "Gaia"?
    by Will Bridewell on Wednesday November 07, @01:08PM
    If that's so, is there a Thelemic equivalent?

    Should there be?

    I don't think that there is an equivalent. Thelema focuses more on the indvidual than his environment. I think the general idea is, "Once you sort your own life out, worry about everything else." Hence the call to realize and do your true will.

    Cheers~

    W

    • Re: What's Thelemic for "Gaia"?
      by Grant Potts on Tuesday November 13, @07:07PM
      Sorry to jump in so late, I just saw this up and have been thinking along these lines a good deal. One of the key aspects of a Gaian understanding of ecology, it seems to me, is that forces us into an understanding of the human integration with the environment, and with evolution, as both relational and autonomous. Gaia is rooted in a systems theory understanding which, as Lovelock argues out in Ages of Gaia, suggests that a maximization of diversity produces a maximization of the feedback loops necessary for the Gaian organism to function. Those are my initial thoughts.


    • Re: What's Thelemic for "Gaia"?
      by Grant Potts on Tuesday November 13, @07:08PM
      Sorry to jump in so late, I just saw this up and have been thinking along these lines a good deal. One of the key aspects of a Gaian understanding of ecology, it seems to me, is that forces us into an understanding of the human integration with the environment, and with evolution, as both relational and autonomous. Gaia is rooted in a systems theory understanding which, as Lovelock argues out in Ages of Gaia, suggests that a maximization of diversity produces a maximization of the feedback loops necessary for the Gaian organism to function. Those are my initial thoughts.


      • Re: What's Thelemic for "Gaia"?
        by Mordecai on Tuesday November 13, @08:31PM
        Diversity can also be a powerful adaptive tool. The more diverse a species' gene pool is the more likely that species is to adapt to changing circumstances. That's the basic flaw with eugenics, doing what's best for each individual is worst for the species as a whole because it eliminates so much genetic diversity. It's even far better to find a way for people to live long and productive lives with their genetic defects than to eliminate those defects entirely from the gene pool; it could be some defect carried as a recessive gene is the one that protects some small percentage of humanity from the pollution and/or disease that wipes everybody else out.


    Re: What's Thelemic for "Gaia"?
    by nexist on Wednesday November 07, @01:23PM
    Hadit is any point. Hadit displaces Geb as Nuits traditional Earthy lover. The Earth is a Point. The Earth is a body in the Starry Expanse of Nuit. As one's consciousness and awareness expand, so to does the Hadit, until both Hadit and Nuit are identical

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