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 Posted by Xnoubis on Tuesday November 13, @06:30PM
from the happily-pining-away dept.
A reader recently pointed out the Pure Fire website, home of the Amg Ada sex magick tradition. I had never heard of it before, but it's strikingly beautiful, and totally unlike anything else. Has anyone had any experience with this method? Based on what I've seen here, I hope it prospers.
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Re: Amg Ada
by J. A. on Wednesday November 14, @09:58AM
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Totally unlike anything else?
What does it really have to offer that any Joe-common couldn't figure out? I found it to be completely uninitiated anti-crowley hogwash. It seems to imply that only sex is magic(k!) and not only that but confuses 'dreams' with a magical act of union with the divine. Perhaps my standards are high? But I don't see it getting anywhere past a stingy playboy article. It's soooo Oprah!
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Re: Amg Ada
by J. A. on Wednesday November 14, @02:22PM
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I should have written- Like so many modern-day "Thelemites" it misinterprets sex magick as having something to do with the actual physical act of sex, which it does not. Unfortunately, some currently popular "Thelemites" through books like "magick of thelema" and the "Enochian World of A.C." support such a ludicrous claim, or at least mislead their audiences, and thereby _tarnish_ the name of Thelema, that magick of the 93 current is done through a physical sexual act.
Thus: Instead of preserving the practices and tradition of Thelema they are rather being destroyed by charlatans; instead of gaining initiates rather they are being repulsed.
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Re: Amg Ada
by Mordecai on Wednesday November 14, @08:20PM
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You've piqued my curiosity, J. A rationale I've heard for most sex magick is that the "physical act of sex" is what creates the basis for the magical link. What do you suggest creates the basis of the link, absent the physical act?
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Re: Amg Ada
by Mordecai on Wednesday November 14, @08:26PM
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"In every operation of Magick, the link must be properly made." -- MTP, Chapter XIV
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Re: Amg Ada
by J. A. on Thursday November 15, @08:31AM
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If the above were true then I could be made divine by mixing poisonous chemicals as suggested by alchemists.
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Re: Amg Ada
by Mordecai on Thursday November 15, @09:49AM
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I guess you're being too subtle for me. Let me rephrase the question: how do you believe the magical link is to be made in an operation of sex magick?
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Re: Amg Ada
by J. A. on Thursday November 15, @10:30AM
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You actually want me to reveal such a secret to you and anyone with an internet connection?
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Re: Amg Ada
by Mordecai on Thursday November 15, @11:08AM
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You're saying that Aleister Crowley didn't? I think perhaps you are being satirical. It couldn't be because you have no good answer, could it?
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Re: Amg Ada
by J. A. on Thursday November 15, @11:23AM
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Are you saying that he did?
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Re: Amg Ada
by Mordecai on Thursday November 15, @01:36PM
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Yes, I am saying that in Magick in Theory and Practice, particularly Chapter XIV, he revealed the principles behind the creation of a proper magical link. If you disagree I would be quite interested in knowing the reasoning which leads you to disagree.
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Re: Amg Ada
by J. A. on Friday November 16, @09:56AM
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I didn't see anything about sex in Ch. 14 of MTP.
Now I already told you that information you seek regarding the Magical Link as far as that which flow from my lips is classified.
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Re: Amg Ada
by Bishop Mendacious on Friday November 16, @10:02AM
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Well then, a classified napkin should clean that right up!
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Re: Amg Ada
by Mordecai on Friday November 16, @11:24AM
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So somehow sex magick does not operate along the same principles as magick in general?
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Re: Amg Ada
by J. A. on Friday November 16, @02:50PM
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No, I'm saying that sex magick originally got its name from the codex of sexual language to convey secrets that are otherwise generally referred to as magick. I sent you some bait about the alchemy bit, but I guess you didn't catch on. Oh well.
You see, doing magick while having sex is just doing magick while having sex. And while it might be fun it is not something that one builds a valid magical order around. You see, it's rather foolish teeny-bop Britney Spears kinda crap with no real advanced content. (I can't believe that I even have to tell you this!!!)
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Re: Amg Ada
by Mordecai on Saturday November 17, @10:47AM
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>it's rather foolish teeny-bop Britney Spears kinda crap with no real advanced content.
So what about the fact that Crowley wrote about it in such glowing terms, comparing it to 'old aeon' sacrificial blood rites as like a machine gun to a boomerang?
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Re: Amg Ada
by J. A. on Saturday November 17, @12:30PM
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I don't know Mordecai. You'd have to ask him that question.
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Re: Amg Ada
by Mordecai on Saturday November 17, @06:54PM
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Would you suggest séance, crystal or telephone?
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Re: Amg Ada
by Fra THA;M on Friday November 16, @12:09PM
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Ah, the classified magickal secrets. A concept bantered about by individuals who know better than to put their tenuous and fragile belief up to a scrutiny which would weaken and destroy its delicate and wobbly structure.
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Re: Amg Ada
by Tau Aleph on Wednesday November 14, @09:05PM
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I don't get it, J.A. I've certainly run into my share of "Tantric" Buddhists who claim that tantra isn't about sex at all. And there are certainly plenty who think that tantra is ONLY sex.
I myself beleive that the middle way is best: proper tantra includes both the spiritual and the sexual - as does proper sex magick.
After browsing through the Pure Fire site, I don't see any particular reason for your harsh comments.
For those who would like an overview/index page, try the Pure Fire Foundation Directory.
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Re: Amg Ada
by J. A. on Thursday November 15, @08:33AM
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I don't believe tantra has anything to do with sex magick.
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Re: Amg Ada
by J. A. on Wednesday November 14, @10:46AM
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It may be just my opinion but you want the world to accept you and your Thelemic practices and then you go and endorse some trash like bimbo magic(k!) - perhaps without even realizing that you're doing it, you become your own enemy against your true will. If you can understand this...(you never really analyze or comment, just endorse here on the Beastbay!), which in pratice is on the same page as a politician trying to please everyone with sophistry. It doesn't work. You can't gain worldly respect and be a politician. You have to draw the line, Xnoubis.
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Re: Amg Ada
by Xnoubis on Wednesday November 14, @10:59AM
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De Gustibus Non Disputandum.
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Re: Amg Ada
by Mordecai on Wednesday November 14, @01:01PM
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>You can't gain worldly respect and be a politician
Tell it to Roosevelt, Churchill, and De Gaulle!
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Re: Amg Ada
by Fra THA;M on Wednesday November 14, @01:14PM
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Who wants worldly respect anyway. Roosevelt, Churchill and De Gaulle may have the respect of the 'world' (or repect of the western anglo saxon majority who seem too often to be the only voice heard). So, the 'world' may laude them, but it doesn't disguise the fact that they were villains and scoundrels.
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Re: Amg Ada
by J. A. on Wednesday November 14, @01:29PM
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What I actually meant, was that occultists come from the world.
It was probably a 'low shot' against Xnoubis, but Bimbo magick(TM)? -Now that's *low*.
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Re: Amg Ada
by Beastie Grrl on Wednesday November 14, @07:52PM
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A friend of mine commented at that "What's "Bimbo magick" - magick that doesn't worship the almighty dick??"
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Re: Amg Ada
by retching on Thursday November 15, @07:49AM
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Bimbo magic(k) is magick that does worship big dick.
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Re: Amg Ada
by Beastie Grrl on Thursday November 15, @05:06PM
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and there's none of that in Crowley's magick.. yeah - right. apparently you missed the joke.
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