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  The Third Secret of Fatima
Weirdness Posted by Xnoubis on June 27, 2000 @ 11:58 AM
from the oh-mary-don't-ask! dept.

The Beast Bay reads the official Vatican report so you don't have to.


On May 13 of this year, Cardinal Angelo Sodano, on behalf of the Vatican, made a carefully edited announcement regarding the contents of the "third secret of Fatima." This was the portion of the message (purportedly delivered by the Virgin Mary to three shepherd children near Fatima, Portugal in 1917) that had until then been concealed from the public. The official interpretation of the passage was that it foretold the assassination attempt against Pope John Paul II in 1981. This partial disclosure only served to enflame the public's imagination further, and so the full text of the prophecy was released on June 26:

J.M.J.

The third part of the secret revealed at the Cova da Iria-Fatima, on 13 July 1917.

I write in obedience to you, my God, who command me to do so through his Excellency the Bishop of Leiria and through your Most Holy Mother and mine.

After the two parts which I have already explained, at the left of Our Lady and a little above, we saw an Angel with a flaming sword in his left hand; flashing, it gave out flames that looked as though they would set the world on fire; but they died out in contact with the splendour that Our Lady radiated towards him from her right hand: pointing to the earth with his right hand, the Angel cried out in a loud voice: ‘Penance, Penance, Penance!'. And we saw in an immense light that is God: ‘something similar to how people appear in a mirror when they pass in front of it' a Bishop dressed in White ‘we had the impression that it was the Holy Father'. Other Bishops, Priests, men and women Religious going up a steep mountain, at the top of which there was a big Cross of rough-hewn trunks as of a cork-tree with the bark; before reaching there the Holy Father passed through a big city half in ruins and half trembling with halting step, afflicted with pain and sorrow, he prayed for the souls of the corpses he met on his way; having reached the top of the mountain, on his knees at the foot of the big Cross he was killed by a group of soldiers who fired bullets and arrows at him, and in the same way there died one after another the other Bishops, Priests, men and women Religious, and various lay people of different ranks and positions. Beneath the two arms of the Cross there were two Angels each with a crystal aspersorium in his hand, in which they gathered up the blood of the Martyrs and with it sprinkled the souls that were making their way to God.

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This text was published with over 30 pages of interpretive material, including a "Theological Commentary" by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (the modern name of the Inquisition), which states roughly, "Nothing to see here, folks! Return to your homes! Move along, move along..."

Yet from the Thelemic point of view, it is intriguing. The Angel with the flaming sword of penance would seem to embody the oppressive forces of the Old Aeon. He is foiled by Our Lady (who was the Goddess before Christianity, and still remains so), and as a result, the forces of patriarchy are slain, making way for the liberation of humanity.

No wonder they kept it hidden away, and are trying to sweep it under the table now.



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    Re: The Third Secret of Fatima
    by Marfiza on Thursday June 29, @01:46AM
    > No wonder they kept it hidden away, and are trying to sweep it under the table now.

    Erm. But they must have a political (or some other) agenda for revealing it in the first place, else why bother? Who, besides certain Vatican luminaries, and people who understand the method by which after the first two straight lines of the joke comes the third line which is the punchline, would even have known there was a third prophesy? Call me cynical, but I think there has to be a reason they bothered to release it. And because it's 1 in the A.M. and I have two glasses of vino and no food in me currently, I find myself wondering <FIRESIGNTHEATRE>Just What That Reason Is</FIRESIGNTHEATRE>.

    I certainly agree that there is about the whole vision an intrigue for Thelemites...

    The vision appearing as "how people appear in a mirror", NOT as "through a glass, darkly" suggests looking at the world as it is, not necessarily how it will be.. Let's see, the Fatima thing happened in, what, 1917? Middle of WWI? What, do you suppose, was the prevailing imagery in the heads of young (especially European) people at the time, pre-television? Reports of frontline carnage from newspapers and some radio, where the imagination could run rampant as to exactly what was going on? Maybe, maybe. Certainly the "big city half in ruins" doesn't have to be Rome... any war-torn city could stand in that place. Hell, let's really get out there... how about Belfast? Or Kosovo? Or Baghdad? Or Chechnya? The current Pope wasn't really "afflicted with pain and sorrow" until after he got shot at; this is almost 20 years ago we're talking about, and I totally remember, when he was inaugurated as Pope, how people remarked on how healthy and vigorous this six-foot Polish guy was.

    Now, the man is f***in 80 years old, has undergone a half-dozen surgeries since then, probably has Parkinson's, no wonder he's "afflicted with pain and sorrow". And one young Turk assassin shooting at the Pope doesn't shape up much like "soldiers" shooting "bullets and arrows" at all kinds of Catholic religious and laypeople. For once, Cardinal RatsAss may have it right -- there's nothing there for Catholics to see. For the rest of us, now, that's another story.

    Most powerful to me is the image of the angels gathering up the "blood of the saints" and aspersing departed souls therewith. This sounds more like the same rich archetypal loam out of which sprang Liber 418.

    I just can't help but be reminded of the vision of the Virgen de Guadalupe, where Our Lady told the guy to tell the bishop where to build the cathedral in Her honor -- and decades later, after one of Mexico City's perennial earthquakes (what brilliant engineer thought to build a city in the middle of a landfill in earthquake country??? Oh, right, the same kind of one who thought to build the Marina district on landfill made of ruins from the '06 quake, never mind, forget I said anything), there's discovered under that same cathedral's altar a basalt statue of "She of the Serpent Skirt", the Aztec goddess Coatlicue... Just which Lady was speaking in Fatima, one wonders?

    Anyways, I'm babbling, it's now 1/2 hr after I started this, and way past time I should be in bed. I fully expect this exegesis to be torn to shreds by the time I look at it tomorrow morning. <g>

         - M

    • Re: The Third Secret of Fatima
      by Michael Sanborn on Saturday July 01, @05:15PM
      > But they must have a political (or some other)
      > agenda for revealing it in the first place, else
      > why bother?

      First off, I believe that the existence of the hidden third secret was well-known, and was the subject of much restless speculation. But it's true that this doesn't answer why they revealed it now. My feeling is that the Pope probably really does believe that it refers to his foiled assassination, and feels that the secret should be revealed in his lifetime out of devotion to the Virgin. You'd think his PR people would have tried to talk him out of it, but he probably does have some clout within his own machine.

      Or maybe there's the feeling that people would be more persuaded of the (harmless) assassination interpretation if the secret is revealed while the Pope (who believes this, or at least says he does) is alive. If they revealed it after his death, the interpretation might carry less weight. As it is, the Church might hope that people will lose interest by the time JP2 passes on. But not if we in the lunatic fringe keep it stirred up . . .


      • Re: The Third Secret of Fatima
        by Isis NovaStar on Monday October 02, @08:28AM
        The Angel with the flamming sword that is mentioned in the vision may have been Michael the Arch Angel


    • Re: The Third Secret of Fatima
      by mary ann on Thursday July 06, @12:03PM
      why do you mock what you know not about? many spirits exist on many different planes, and the Holy Spirits are the only ones who can transcend through all levels at any given time. the Blessed Virgin Mary, Mother of all does exist and the only ritual needed to beckon her is prayer. people always mock what they fear...the truths they fear.....Mary is present with us always!


      • Re: The Third Secret of Fatima
        by Xnoubis on Tuesday July 11, @09:47AM
        I'm not certain which comments you're referring to as mockery. But it wasn't my intention in the original article to mock the Virgin or the visions of Fatima, only to be critical of the Church's handling of the matter. If anything, I wanted to suggest the possibility that the visions could have validity even for those of us who oppose Roman Catholicism.


    Re: The Third Secret of Fatima
    by Zarathustra on Sunday July 02, @04:33PM
    Please, Xnoubis, and all those who know more than I about Enochian, comment about the similarities to the Vision and the Voice in the 3rd Fatima prophecy (gathering the blood of the martyrs, etc). Pretty wild stuff!!!

    I don't think the passage make the "Holy Father" seem like such a bad guy (although "bad" is not a prerequisite to "obsolete"). His passing seems kind of sacrificial. Reminds me again of the various God-masks that Crowley encountered on the way through the spheres.

    More, more!!

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