A Digest of enochian-l for November 11-14, 1996


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Mark Nuttall (mpn@doc.ic.ac.uk)
Mon, 11 Nov 1996 14:15:19 GMT


93.

I produced this template for the Sigillum Dei AEmeth recently, wanting one for
my temple but not wanting to construct the geometrical framework by hand. I
also have this in .ps format (A4 paper though!) if anyone wants one.

Since so few people will be subscribed le moment, this is also by way of a
test.

Mark
93 93/93

 


Howdy.

Esoterica (esoteric@cneti.com)
Mon, 11 Nov 1996 17:11:47 GMT


Howdy! Esoterica's lurking.

I'm a Crone witch living in North Central Alabama. I support all =
traditions, including Christian, and wrote "Aschan Wicca".

http://www.cneti.com/~esoteric/ascha.htm

By Ascha May Thee Blessed Be,
Esoterica


Alive?

Al Billings (mimir@memoria.com)
Mon, 11 Nov 1996 15:25:40 -0800 (PST)


Are we actually alive here yet?


Re: Alive?

Jim B (JimB@pitnet.net)
Mon, 11 Nov 1996 17:41:42 -0600


> Are we actually alive here yet?

I think I am! Whew! That was intense--a great red sea, this unbearable
crushing force shuddering down a tight passage, and now all this light!

Where are we anyway?


on line enochian resources?

CENSORED@SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU
Mon, 11 Nov 96 21:53:15 CST


Anyone out there know of any particularly good
enochaina resources out there? I've found the
excellent page at memoria, with tons of things
by the esteemed Benjamin Rowe (better start
sucking up to him now that he has subscribed
to this list:) and i believe i recall seeing
a few thigns like enochian fonts and jpgs of
that sigil ameth thingamabob floating around on
funet, but as usual the exact addresses escape me
at the moment. Anyone else out there found anything
of note?

CENSORED@siucvmb.siu.edu


on line enochian resources?

nigris (tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com)
Mon, 11 Nov 1996 21:02:16 -0800 (PST)


49961111 AA1 Hail Satan! Happy NULatix!

# Anyone out there know of any particularly good
# enochaina resources out there? ....

ftp://ftp.hollyfeld.org/pub/Esoteric/Usenet/Enochia

meager holdings.

alt.occult.kabbalah.golden-dawn?

 


nigris (333)

Re: on line enochian resources?

Josh Norton (browe@megalinx.net)
Tue, 12 Nov 96 11:18 EST


At 09:53 PM 11/11/96 CST, CENSORED wrote:

>Anyone out there know of any particularly good
>enochaina resources out there? I've found the
>excellent page at memoria, with tons of things
>by the esteemed Benjamin Rowe (better start
>sucking up to him now that he has subscribed
>to this list:)

"Esteemed"? Gods, what am I doing wrong? <G>

Nothing ruins conversation as quickly as being considered an "authority".
Let's not get into that trap, hey?

Regards,
Ben

------------------------
Reality leaves a lot to the imagination. -- John Lennon

Josh Norton (aka Benjamin Rowe) -- browe@megalinx.net


on-line resources

Josh Norton (browe@megalinx.net)
Tue, 12 Nov 96 12:44 EST


I've run a search on Alta Vista several times; sadly, there isn't that much
that directly relates to enochian magick. Most links lead to pages with
links to my own work, where it is mentioned only in passing, or -- like
Colin Low's Necronomicon Anti-FAQ -- use it as a literary device.

Some useful online Enochian resources I've found:

First, credit to our sponsors: The usenet archives at
http://www.hollyfeld.org have lots of messages related to Enochian magick,
extracted from alt.magick and other places.

Christeos Pir's excellent _Guide to Enochian Pronunciation_ is online at:
http://hpproebster1.informatik.tu-muenchen.de/Personen/rk/txt/pr_calls.txt
Chris put a lot of work into this document, and deserves a round of applause
for doing a job nobody else wanted to do.

Chris also has a reasonably concise _Intro to Enochian Magick_ at:
http://www.gslink.com/~cfeldman/enochian.html

Rafal T. Prinke has a good enochian bibliography at:
http://hum.amu.edu.pl/~rafalp/HERM/dmanus.html

There is a miscellany of Enochian-related texts in the ftp archives at:
http://www.magitech.com

Thanks to Al B., my own stuff can be found at:
http://www.memoria.com/ben

Regards,
Ben

------------------------
Reality leaves a lot to the imagination. -- John Lennon

Josh Norton (aka Benjamin Rowe) -- browe@megalinx.net


need copy of manuscript...

BROWNMM@SNYBUFAA.CS.SNYBUF.EDU
Tue, 12 Nov 1996 13:45:30 -0500 (EST)


Hello,

We (an enochian workgroup in Buffalo, NY) are looking for a
readable copy of Sloane Ms. #3189, _Liber Mysteriorum Sextus
and Sanctus_ aka _The Book of Enoch Revealed to John Dee by the
Angels_. It contains 49 double-sided tables of (apparently)
random letters done in EK's handwriting.

We have copies of microfilm from the British Museum but they
are unreadable.

Thanks,

- Peggy -


online resources

CENSORED@SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU
Tue, 12 Nov 96 15:49:06 CST


There are a few things available at

ftp.funet.fi/pub/doc/occult/hermetica/enochian

though many of these things are available at other places
like the book of the seniors and such like. While I'm remembering
I believe i recall finding an online version of Liber Chanosh (sp)
and the vision and the voice floating around out there as well on
a web page but haven't been able to find it recently. Anyone
have any ideas about where that might have went?

CENSORED@siucvmb.siu.edu


Digest Mode ...

Cause Of Death (xaemyl@netcom.com)
Wed, 13 Nov 1996 09:09:42 -0800 (PST)


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The Tablet of God

Josh Norton (browe@megalinx.net)
Wed, 13 Nov 96 18:30 EST


I'm interested in people's opinions about the small Tablet the angels gave
Dee & Kelly on April 10, 1584. Pat Zalewski calls it the "Tablet of
Nalvage"; possibly it might be more appropriate to call it the "Tablet of
God". What do you all think was the intended purpose of this Tablet?

Some thoughts that came up while looking at this tablet:

-- Seems to me that it might be intended as a lamen for the Enochian magick,
similar to the lamen presented in the Heptarchic section of the work. Given
the divine powers it symbolizes, it would certainly do for "dignifying" the
magician.

-- Reading over _LMQ_ and _T&FR_ this last week, I've been struck by how
much the Agrippan three-tier model of the universe runs through these works.
That is, the model that divides the universe into natural, human (Agrippa
calls it "mathematical"), and divine regions. It is an ever-present
undercurrent, so taken for granted that it is never explained outright.

It occurred to me that this "Tablet of God" combined with the Great Table
would also form a complete, three-tier structure. The internal divisions of
the three tiers would relate to the ten sephiroth of the cabalistic Tree of
Life as a divine trinity, a human trinity, and a natural quadruplicity.

For those who aren't familiar with it, the Table looks like this:

 

It is internally divided into several sections as shown below. Each inner
3x3 square is called a "continent". Reading the letters of each square
diagonally produces a motto as shown. Reading across produces the names of
three choirs of angels. The four-letter names surrounding the squares are
read counter-clockwise, and represent additional angelic groups.

h c r v

i d z s a i Upper left: Zir Moz Iad -- I am the joy of God
l a o i g o d h Lower left: Zna Bab Iad -- The moving power
of God
v m z r v r r c Upper right: Gur Sor Iad -- The facts of God
a a (poss: The results of God's action?)
s b n a f o s s Lower right: Osf Ser Iad -- The discord &
lamentation
d a z s e a of God
i a b r d i

l a n g

Nalvage says of this Tablet:

"1. Its substance is attributed to God the Father.
"2. The first circular mover, the circumference, God the Son, the
finger of
the Father, and the mover of all things.
"3. The order and knitting together of the parts in their due and
perfect
proportion, God the Holy Ghost. Lo, in the beginning and end of all
things."

"Substance" is used here in the philosophical senses of "essence" or "a
thing considered as a continuous whole". So the Tablet as a whole is God the
Father, the four outer names (plus the "i" in each internal square) are God
the Son, and the four "continents", plus the overall structure, would be God
the Holy Ghost.

To connect this Tablet with the Great Table, it seems to me that the mottos
of the continents could be related to the four elements. "Moving power"
could certainly be connected with Fire. "Results" or "facts" could be Earth,
the realm of outcomes. Discord and lamentation would be Water, a la the
zodiacal signs Scorpio and Pisces. That would leave "Joy" as Air.

If these elemental attributes are valid, then this Tablet shows the elements
in the same arrangement as that used for the Elemental Tablets within the
original version of the Great Table. The Holy Ghost aspect of the Tablet of
God contains within it the archetype of the worldly powers of the Great
Table, just as Binah contains the potential for manifestation of all the
lower spheres in the Tree of Life. Since the same pattern shows in the
positioning of the Lesser Angles within each Tablet, the pattern is
reflected on three different levels.

(Of course, if you use the Tabla Recensa, this argument goes down the drain.<G>)

Within each Tablet in the Great Table, there is also a trinity of powers:
the Names of God, the Elemental King, and the Seniors. It seems likely that
these powers represent the middle tier of the three-tier model. This tier is
associated both with human beings and their affairs, and (in Agrippa) with
the astrological realms of the planets. According to the angels'
descriptions, the Seniors are said to "give knowledge of all human affairs".
The Names of God have twelve letters, as does the zodiac. The King and
Seniors are seven beings with names of seven letters, which is reminiscent
of the planetary angels names in the Heptarchia; the relationship between
each King and his Seniors might reflect the relationship between the
Heptarchic Kings and their Ministers.

So these Great Cross names could be associated with the second triad of the
Tree of Life, representing immanent divinity as opposed to the
transcendental divinity of the Tablet of God. And underneath all of these,
of course, there are the four "elemental" Lesser Angles in each Tablet,
representing the natural world and the final four "elemental" sephiroth.

Any comments, questions, objections?

Regards,
Ben

------------------------
Reality leaves a lot to the imagination. -- John Lennon

Josh Norton (aka Benjamin Rowe) -- browe@megalinx.net


Re: The Tablet of God

Anthony Hutchins (anthony.hutchins@actrix.gen.nz)
Thu, 14 Nov 1996 13:55:48 +1300 (NZDT)


On 1996-11-13 browe@megalinx.net said to tonyhut@actrix.gen.nz
br>I'm interested in people's opinions about the small Tablet the
br>angels gave Dee & Kelly on April 10, 1584.

Nalvage revealed it.

Pat Zalewski calls it
br>the "Tablet of Nalvage"; possibly it might be more appropriate to
br>call it the "Tablet of God".

"Tablet of Nalvage" is a pretty good circumstantial name<G>.

Much very interesting writing snipped here because I am at work
but can't resist making the odd comment<G>.

br>If these elemental attributes are valid, then this Tablet shows the
br>elements in the same arrangement as that used for the Elemental
br>Tablets within the original version of the Great Table.

But there was no elemental attribution mapped onto the original
version of the Great Table. I mean in Dee's Diaries - say
_TFR_. The tables had East South West and North directions. The
buch of angels in each forth quarter of each table had elemental
associations (from memory).

In the MSS there is a diagram where it looks like the four
parts of the earth are maybe coloured or shaded in the
original. Could be the same as the red,white, green and black
"cloths" lifted off the table before the vision. I think the
red could be for east and green for west (Aries & Libra, Mars
and Venus) - and the black/white for North/South or South/
North. The diagram is the one where Dee(?) seemed to reverse
the North and West banner names - a quartered circle with the
names around.

Oh well, back to work. That Tablet is indeed fascinating. I
remember being struck how a few of those 3 letter words added
to 49 - using A to Z = 1 to 23. I=J=9. U=V=W=20. X=21 (Gotta
have that!).

So MOZ = 12+14+23=49
ZIR = 23+9+17 =49

This is the same "gematria" Dee wasusing when he annotated that
"Voarchadumia".

The IAD reminds me of Ioannes Dee himself!<G> - remember there
was to be a triangular form indicating his name back the
previous year when the heptarchial material was coming thru.

Regards, Tony

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Esoterica (esoteric@cneti.com)
Thu, 14 Nov 1996 16:46:22 GMT


Wed, 13 Nov 1996 09:09:42 -0800 (PST):

I don't think there is one. If so, I couldn't find it. If you do, let me =
know. I'm on another list on this listserve and they don't have a digest =
mode either.

Esoterica

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Re: The Tablet of God

Josh Norton (browe@megalinx.net)
Thu, 14 Nov 96 12:36 EST


At 01:55 PM 11/14/96 +1300, Tony Hutchinson wrote:
>On 1996-11-13 browe@megalinx.net said:
>
> br>If these elemental attributes are valid, then this Tablet shows the
> br>elements in the same arrangement as that used for the Elemental
> br>Tablets within the original version of the Great Table.
>
>But there was no elemental attribution mapped onto the original
>version of the Great Table. I mean in Dee's Diaries - say
>_TFR_. The tables had East South West and North directions. The
>buch of angels in each forth quarter of each table had elemental
>associations (from memory).

<sigh> This is an argument that never seems to get settled; it just stops
for a while when the arguers get exhausted.

Let's just say that, to me, in three of the four Tablets in the Great Table
the elemental attributes seem clear enough. The Air is the part of the world
closest to the heavens; this fits with the description of the upper left
Tablet. (This symbolism is used a couple of other places in the record.) The
Tablet of Earth with its plain cross is specifically identified. Where
there's smoke there's Fire, so the Tablet with the little pinhead of smoke
is the Fire Tablet. That leaves the Tablet with the lettered cross as Water.

The powers assigned to the angels of the Lesser Angles can be definitely
connected with specific elements, according to traditional associations. And
at that level the relative positions of the elements are exactly what is
suggested in three of the four cases at the Tablet level.

Ben

------------------------
Reality leaves a lot to the imagination. -- John Lennon

Josh Norton (aka Benjamin Rowe) -- browe@megalinx.net


Re: The Tablet of God

Josh Norton (browe@megalinx.net)
Thu, 14 Nov 96 13:12 EST


At 08:19 PM 11/13/96 -0800, Tim Maroney wrote:
>
>I wonder, though, why you call the world of numbers the human world?
>According to the Christian cosmology, humans are part of the natural
>world, also known as the creation. I'm not sure what it would mean for us
>to be part of the mathematical world, which is the spiritual underpinning
>of nature.
>

I was using it in the way it is used throughout Dee's records. This
three-and-four pattern is pervasive; you see the same thing in the
Heptarchy, where, e.g., the first three letters of each angel's name rule
aspects of the human world, while the last four rule events in the elemental
worlds.

I don't have any other medieval/renaissance texts to cite, but I speculate
that the difference being emphasized is between humans as beings with souls,
and animals/nature as beings without individual souls. Souls are entities of
the mathematical or planetary realms, not of nature.

>>If these elemental attributes are valid, then this Tablet shows the elements
>>in the same arrangement as that used for the Elemental Tablets within the
>>original version of the Great Table.
>
>What would it mean for the attributes to be valid or invalid?

"Valid" meaning "what I understood is what they [the angels] intended."

Ben

------------------------
Reality leaves a lot to the imagination. -- John Lennon

Josh Norton (aka Benjamin Rowe) -- browe@megalinx.net


Re: The Tablet of God

Charla J. Williams (charlajw@netcom.com)
Thu, 14 Nov 1996 10:50:17 -0800 (PST)


Hi Benjamin!

On Thu, 14 Nov 1996, Josh Norton wrote:

> The powers assigned to the angels of the Lesser Angles can be definitely
> connected with specific elements, according to traditional associations. And
> at that level the relative positions of the elements are exactly what is
> suggested in three of the four cases at the Tablet level.

It sounds like you've settled with rearranging the elemental
attributes of the Lesser Angles in line with the re-formed Great Table.
I thought that in the past you were questioning whether the
elemental attributions of the Lesser Angles were suposed to change
when the position of the Tables themselves within the Great Table
changed.

Best regards,
Charla


Re: The Tablet of God

Tim Maroney (maroney@apple.com)
Thu, 14 Nov 96 15:46:33 -0800


>>What would it mean for the attributes to be valid or invalid?

>"Valid" meaning "what I understood is what they [the angels] intended."

So you believe these materials were transmitted by angelic beings, and
your interpretive methodology is to try to reconstruct the motivations of
the angels?

Tim


Re: The Tablet of God

Josh Norton (browe@megalinx.net)
Thu, 14 Nov 96 19:19 EST


At 10:50 AM 11/14/96 -0800, Charla wrote:
>Hi Benjamin!
>
Howdy!

>On Thu, 14 Nov 1996, Josh Norton wrote:
>
>> The powers assigned to the angels of the Lesser Angles can be definitely
>> connected with specific elements, according to traditional associations. And
>> at that level the relative positions of the elements are exactly what is
>> suggested in three of the four cases at the Tablet level.
>
>It sounds like you've settled with rearranging the elemental
>attributes of the Lesser Angles in line with the re-formed Great Table.
>I thought that in the past you were questioning whether the
>elemental attributions of the Lesser Angles were suposed to change
>when the position of the Tables themselves within the Great Table
>changed.

Noo.... just the opposite. I'm abandoning the G.D. variations -- and the
Tabula Recensa -- and going back to the earlier versions. Having the same
arrangement in the Tablet of God, the Tablets in the Great Table, and in the
Lesser Angles gives a certain elegance of design that wasn't there when I
considered just the Tablets. Kelly's modifications just don't stand up to it.

Damn... now I'm going to have to recondition myself to the older scheme.
What a pain. ;-)

Ben

------------------------
Reality leaves a lot to the imagination. -- John Lennon

Josh Norton (aka Benjamin Rowe) -- browe@megalinx.net


Re: The Tablet of God

Josh Norton (browe@megalinx.net)
Thu, 14 Nov 96 19:19 EST


At 09:23 AM 11/15/96 +1300, Tony Hutchingson wrote:

>On 1996-11-14 browe@megalinx.net said to tonyhut@actrix.gen.nz
>
> br><sigh> This is an argument that never seems to get settled; it just
> br>stops for a while when the arguers get exhausted.
>
>Oh, I didn't realize it had been discussed.

It hadn't yet, here. I was just anticipating and defusing the issue. <G>

>But the 4 tables are collectively called "Tablets
>of Earth". I think they are referred to in that table on page
>27 of the "Hieroglyphic Monad" where (in a good edition) in
>the bottom left under the word "Terrae" is "Pugili".

(confused) Eh? There's nothing in my copy of the Monad that fits this.

I think you have to take care to distinguish elemental earth from
Earth-the-World in the angelic operations. Dee never capitalized either, so
you have to distinguish by context. The Great Table is a map of
Earth-the-World, not a map of the element; it contains the element within
it, with the others.

Ben

------------------------
Reality leaves a lot to the imagination. -- John Lennon

Josh Norton (aka Benjamin Rowe) -- browe@megalinx.net


Re: The Tablet of God

Anthony Hutchins (anthony.hutchins@actrix.gen.nz)
Fri, 15 Nov 1996 09:23:02 +1300 (NZDT)


On 1996-11-14 browe@megalinx.net said to tonyhut@actrix.gen.nz

br><sigh> This is an argument that never seems to get settled; it just
br>stops for a while when the arguers get exhausted.

Oh, I didn't realize it had been discussed.

br>Let's just say that, to me, in three of the four Tablets in the
br>Great Table the elemental attributes seem clear enough.

Fair enough.

But the 4 tables are collectively called "Tablets
of Earth". I think they are referred to in that table on page
27 of the "Hieroglyphic Monad" where (in a good edition) in
the bottom left under the word "Terrae" is "Pugili".

br> The Air is
br>the part of the world closest to the heavens;

I dunno, that table of Dee has Fire-air-water-earth.

I'm not arguing, I just don't know.


Regards, Ton

The end of enochian-l digest A for November 11 - 14 1996.