Listener Email: Religion and Thelema


Here are my 2 cents regarding podcast 43. I am a firm believer in spirituality free from religion. Unfortunatly religion has been a part of our human history. So going from religion to a religion free spirituality, is easier said than done. I think Thelema is a good bridge between religion and religion free spirituality. Thelema is the only major religious(if you can call it that) system that has Gods major law as a core tenet. I feel that free will is at the top of Gods list. Additionally Thelema has enough religious elements to satisfy peoples needs/wants for religion. I am not free from religion, but Thelema serves as a step in that direction.

Great podcast. Keep up the good work



Listener Email: Happy Crowleymas!

Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.

First of all, I must express my sincerest thanks for all the work you’ve done on the podcast. Without reiterating too much the sentiment expressed by many people who’ve stated as much before me, I especially enjoy your discussions with Keith418 on the various issues you bring to the table. As well, your recent interview with David Rankine about The Goetia of Dr Rudd was very informative. Though I have not yet had the opportunity to work with the Goetia, I have been studying it very carefully lately, and it was interesting to hear David’s perspective on the issue of Goetic spirits and their relation to the human psyche.

Anyway, I just wanted to extend my best wishes and look forward to the next podcast. Keep up the excellent work, and a very happy Crowleymas to you and yours!

Love is the Law, Love under Will.


Listener Email: Religion and Podcast 43

Thank you for another great podcast!  Don’t stop, baby, please don’t stop.

     This religion debate hurts my head though.  If Thelema is declared a religion, will it bring Crowley books to the religion sections of my local bookstores?  That would be nice.  I’m pretty sure that the only antidote to this headache is greater literacy.  Maybe we can just put the “stupid kind of mischief” quote above the door of all the Thelemic churches.  I’m sure there’s a happy compromise that will enable us all to get back to the holy task of disseminating the law.

 Love under will,


Listener Email: Goetic Demons; External or Psychological

93 John,

I’ve just been listening to Thelema Coast to Coast #43 and was almost surprised to hear the matter of whether the Goetic Demons (or any other entity involved in magickal workings) are internal or external brought up. It amazes me that this has become such a nagging issue that often comes along with so much emotion, and I tend to find it interesting whenever anyone takes either side of the argument, simply because from the empirical standpoint, all we ever have experience of is our own psychology. Philosophers for centuries have been unable to prove even the external existence of another human being (and really, the same debate can be applied to humans, animals, and anything else). It seems that Crowley’s discussion of the nature of the Holy Guardian Angel in Magick Without Tears should cover the matter well enough, pointing out that given our inability to verify internality or externality either way, it is best to simply deal with the entity in question as an individual entity, and leave objective reality alone, as it is not something we ever deal with directly.

I guess it just seems to me that to take a scientific or magical approach, taking either standpoint would be to cast skepticism aside and take on a faith based approach, which can only hinder progress in the path towards Truth. Anyway, thank you for another wonderful podcast.

93 93/93

Listener Email: Differences in the UK?

[NOTE: This was sent shortly after podcast #42 came out. However, I never had a chance to reply because it was posted to the site right before the switch. Kat was nice enough to resend it!]

Dear John:

Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law.

Greetings from the UK.

I am currently listening to episode 42, and after listening for about a year I’ve finally decided to write in and comment.

First, thank you very much for all your diligence in presenting the TCTC podcast.  It is always a pleasure to listen to your thoughts and the interviews, and I enjoy hearing about various projects Thelemites are undertaking.  TCTC is a fantastic, highly intelligent resource  and you are to be commended for bringing  it to fruition and keeping it running.

What’s been itching at the back of my mind every time I listen to TCTC finally made it to my conscious thinking today.  Early in episode 42 you said something to the effect of the following : “The main event for the OTO is not a ritual… it is NOTOCON, a convention that takes place every two years and is basically an excuse for members of the OTO to get together and party…..” etc.

Now, being new to the OTO, I freely admit that I don’t have in-depth knowledge of everything and everyone involved therein. Also, because I didn’t encounter the Order until I moved to the UK I have no first-hand experience of the OTO in the US.  However, I’d like to perhaps inject a tiny ray of sunshine into perceptions about the OTO.

Here in the UK the central event of the OTO and the EGC is Crowley’s Gnostic Mass.  It is regularly practiced.  On almost any given Sunday somewhere in the UK the Gnostic Mass is given by an OTO body.  It is treated as a serious magickal working, and many OTO members throughout the UK study it in great detail.  Even when I am not fulfilling one of the officiant roles, I always take something away from participation in the Gnostic Mass — from just the relief of being still in a beautiful ritual space and allowing it to provide atmosphere for magickal meditation to serious revelations about how my life and my Work is progressing.  From conversations with others in the OTO and with guests, spiritual benefit from participating in the Gnostic Mass seems to be the norm rather than the exception.

In addition to the Gnostic Mass, I have first-hand experience of OTO bodies in the UK holding various workshops, including ones on working with the Goetia, Reiki and Yoga, creating and performing Equinox rituals, and holding many of the feasts spoken of by Crowley, comprised of astrologically-attuned ingredients.  Ideally, in my opinion, the OTO worldwide would regularly practice a wide variety of Thelemic rituals as well.  But that is another discussion for another time.  Ultimately, I wrote to let you know that there are practicing magickians in the OTO.  We are not all continually drug-addled social rejects.  I think proper presentation of the Gnostic Mass should not be overlooked as a genuine Thelemic ritual which is regularly enacted by the OTO.

Best wishes for the future, wherever it leads you, and continued fortitude as you pursue the Great Work.  I look forward to more TCTC, and hope that you will be able to continue ‘casting it in the future.

Love is the Law, Love Under Will.


Listener Mail: “Welcome back”

Welcome back !!
It’s so good to have your podcast back. I’ve missed it greatly, especially your ongoing conversations with Keith 418, always both informative and challenging.

I’m listening to the first of the new podcasts and you’re back with a running start: an excellent show. I will hungrily await all that follow.

Many thanks.


“a sign of the times”

 [The following is an email I received through the Thelema Coast to Coast myspace account - JLC]

a sign of the times, i was excited that sucha podcast was being aired. i liked being able to advertise your site on my profile, because i thought it suggested Thelema being take seriously.

but i’m writing you because what i’ve best experienced is the results of your podcast. at least the ones i get to see from my end.

my direct interaction w/ practicing thelemites and the OTO began roughly 10 years ago. Obviously the net has spread the word and brought like minded folks together. People have the ability to merely wikipedia magickal formula, and they can easily recognize their favorite symbols where ever they find them.

What they can’t easily google is the modern history and Opera that has been modern magickal practice. But your listeners get more than just a taste of that!

As an independent female, my experiences with the occult tend to look like the misadventures of a curious scarlet woman. But what you guys are discussing and highlighting has helped others get an important perspective. And i’m sorry i couldn’t think of a simpler way to say so… i just really needed to put a lot of weight on this!

imagine that, occultists shedding a light on things!

so to sum up… thanks for doing what you do. Every time a young magician mentions your podcast to me, I realize it’s not something to take for granted. They’re learning the stuff that I knew they needed to… and they don’t have to hear it from me. They get to hear it from sources they can Really relate to.

again, great work… as if you didn’t know!


Listener Mail

Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.

One of the advantages of using the new blog software for the podcast site is I can post and tag listener mail. In the future, I plan on putting a variety of mail message I have received for comment. Please note that I will remove any identifying information and reserve to edit (i.e. shorten) emails when appropriate or necessary. I hope you enjoy this expanded ability of the Thelema Coast to Coast website.

Love is the law, love under will.

John L. Crow