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Social Justice Posted by Alone In The Desert on Monday September 24, @11:58AM
from the Aten-down-the-batches dept.

We who call ourselves Thelemites stand at a critical juncture in the world as it is now emerging. We are faced each day with reports that we must be willing to “sacrifice” our liberties in favor of security.

Security is ultimately an illusion the ego seeks, and rests ultimately on the fear of death and annihilation. Love is a liberating force which transcends the bounds of ego and strives ever upward in the face of limits, restrictions, and constraints.

To cross the abyss, one must let go and surrender the will into the arms of Nuit. Surrendering into the arms of truth is the greatest act of Will.

Where do we, who lay claim to such a liberating and ultimately anarchic utopian doctrine as “Love is the Law, Love Under Will,” fit in a world which is totalizing itself into the arms of the global military, industrial right wing prison/surveillance state. How do we thrive in a world that is strengthening its fear/control/restriction paradigms each moment?

What we all encountered September 11 was the mirror image of our own death. Those of us who live in a civilization which has done everything to shelter itself from the cycles of life, death, pain, suffering, and transformation received a visceral shock of reality: Nothing Lasts.

We are experiencing the collective response to ego death that civilization, which rests on the lie of permanence, fights tooth and nail to resist.

The ego, faced by its annihilation, polarizes everything into black and white dichotomies. You are either for us, or against. Good vs. Evil, etc.

The Buddhist doctrine of codependant origination – that all causes and effects are intimately interwoven in chains of reciprocal causality – is a truth ungrasped by the fear and anger driven mind.

Polarities and duality are all experiences of this world of the “Many and the known,” but we who “Are against the people” lay claim to some higher order truth which unites polarities into a union beyond the rational ego's apprehension.

Where does such a philosophy of uniting opposites, Heaven and Hell, Christ and Lucifer, “Good” and “Evil” Coincidentia Oppositorum, fit into this world of intensifying polarization?



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**Re: The Truth Beyond The Veil**
by <jazzcat> on Monday September 24, @07:59PM

…many moons ago when my priestess mate and I
journeyed to Berkeley to join OTO, we went there
with one purpose in mind, to channel energy
the 93 current, for the new Aeon, in order to
fend off the kind of creeping crud beige fascism,
that is decending upon us as surely as Hitler
decended on Germany, telling the German people
that he would protect them, but in order to do that, they had to place all authority in him, and give up thier freedoms…the eleven eleven towers
is our Reichstag, and if it wasn't planed, it sure as shit might as well have been, cuz look out here
they come the gray faced fundamentalists, not even a moment to bow thier heads in contemplation, not ever a pause in thier breathing, no!..for as soon
as the news hit New York like a shit storm, thier, recriminations on freedom loving souls, hit the press, the black hole tube, and the tide crashes
as the corpses under the WTC are still fresh, they wring thier hands with glee and thunder hell fire to the media, as the burning oil
boosh relishes his moment, HIS MOMENT!, and his beady eyes flicker with blood lust, and he ya
ya AAAAA's like whiply snidelash, as the trap closes, and the plan is a giant step closer to
completion, Dictator Boosh!, THE NEW WORLD ORDER!

meanwhile a few Thelemites enlist Yoda to thier cause!!!
well not exactly!…but you get the picture!

dum de dum dum!!!


Re: The Truth Beyond The Veil\\
by <Parlertriks> on Tuesday September 25, @01:29PM\\
[In the Shells]\\
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  • |Re: The Truth Beyond The Veil\\
    by <jazzcat(shellshellsbells)> on Tuesday September 25, @07:38PM\\|

    …oh papperclips the voice of true wisdom!\\


Re: The Truth Beyond The Veil\\
by <Sanity> on Saturday September 29, @03:37PM\\
Jazzcat, learn shut up.\\


Re: The Truth Beyond The Veil\\
by frater tanrinin acheek gozenknee on Thursday October 04, @11:44PM
93 jazz cat and all true freedom fighters,\\
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i think jazz cat pretty much hit the nail on\\
the head….im a bit surprised/discouraged that more thelemites arent as outraged at our govmints\\
attempts to restrict our civil liberties.\\
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i'm working on a essay that explores the thelemic\\
perspective in regards to the current situation,\\
that will draw heavily from jack parsons'_freedom is a two edge sword_\\
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93 93/93\\
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frater tanrinin acheekgozenknee\\
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ps\\
goto:\\
http://www.indefenseoffreedom.com\\
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**Re: The Truth Beyond The Veil**
by <jazzcat> on Monday September 24, @09:24PM

Alone In the Desert
like a wave of burnished mirrors
rippling through the ethers…

I was, alone
like a pillar thrust into the sky
like a wraped shroud mummy cocoon
I stood like a festering sore with
flies for companions, I stood lone
against the setting sun, like bone
long and brittle, I stood fermenting
in my swath of gauze like transparency
in my winding of veil around the core

I stood in layers that went around and
around like endless cycles of ages, like
pages of a forbidden manuscript, oh man!
the spiral into themselves, the hidden
tongues torn off and thrown into the abyss

this is crucial to your awakening, to your
down going into the great crypts of reason
walking the decending steps into the loam
of our matter, into the bowels born gestation
winding down written steps, each one directly
below that over, deeper into the mire miracles

going through hallways like fingers into the void
the shadows grow more restless, the torch flame
ever reder, the inscriptions ever stranger in
shape, the markings along the vaults ever more
womb like, where underground lakes reflect nought
but cavern archways, and a grid work of nunc stars
lining the tomb, and there is incredable silence
that follows us as we go toward the source, as we
whisper our invocations to the empty corners…

…and silence reigns here in the endless black
words that we are passing through, silence that
smashes agains our senses, like invisable voices
like the spirits that exist at these levels…

…we are in a transdimensional, transancestrial
sceptor now, the parchment walls are covered in
verdigres and foam, so vegetal, and mineral the
absolute stillness, and now there is a low rumble
in the far corridors and infinite archways, and
we make some passes with our white hands and
instantly transmorgify, into pathways and passages
into unknown memories and terrible memories going
through each other like sainted ghosts through
stone, we slip into one another and the night
dirt veils move back: great chasms appear, lo!
gulphs of eternity wheel in and out of one another
letters of colossal shapes disappear into colored
holes, and we are breathing in cities and lights

…time is a great black abyss of red flames..
names are burning in the white shadows, scrolls
are rolling back, like tidal waves and behold
roads of golden events unfold like history..

…and now we are very still, and now we hear great drops of water, driping into huge pools of
doorways opening, and we go in, the night is a
light rain of dust, we melt into one another…

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**Re: The Truth Beyond The Veil**
by the Reverend Rob on Monday September 24, @10:00PM

If you're going to lay down everything to dissolve ego, you'll have to lay down the anti-government or anti-war or anti-anything rhetoric too. It's not a selective thing.


Re: The Truth Beyond The Veil\\
by <jazzcat> on Monday September 24, @11:19PM\\
[In the Shells]\\
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Re: The Truth Beyond The Veil\\
by Mirror Man on Monday September 24, @11:52PM\\
[In the Shells]\\
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  • |Re: The Truth Beyond The Veil\\
    by <jazzcat> on Tuesday September 25, @12:41AM\\|

Re: The Truth Beyond The Veil\\
by Alone In The Desert on Tuesday September 25, @04:21PM
Its not antiwar, anti government rhetoric. Its not “anti” but “pro” as in proactive, protean, promethean…\\
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If the only sin is restriction, then “don't tred” on my liberty to feel, be, become what I am destined to be.\\
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You will never have freedom built on the backs of fear and constriction. The spinchter muscles of control cannot cultivate the ascension into ecstasy that is the mytical great work.\\
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So, the issue is not “anti” government, but “Anarchic,” as in no rulers of my becoming.\\
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I don't care about governments. I never have, and never will. Goverment is, was, and shall always be an irritating virus on the verdant skin of Gaia. No politician will ever create beautiful art, or prophetic poetry. The flaming fires of truth are hidden from the politician/fear mongerers, just as a real woman will never share her heart and spirit with a man for his money.\\
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I say “To Hell With Them All!” All governments, all politicians, all fundamentalists, all, religious hiearchies, all social constructions of limitation, all are an anethma to True Freedom. I make no discriminateion between American or Islamic or anyone else. We share more in our fear and hate then not.\\
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What I want is the unlimited freedom to become what my destiny dictates as stated in “Liber Oz.”\\
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These “Freedoms” are not a product of democracy. They are the birthright of the universe. Its mankinds folly and forgetfullness to think we invented demoncracy. We sold back a natural gift to each other at a price and called it a “Social Contract.” No, We are all born free, and begin to enslave each other at birth.\\
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Its that state that is the abberant war against freedom.\\
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Only a few Nondual Traditions: certain threads in Thelema, Taoism, Tantric Crazy Wisdom, Sufi Mysticism, Ismaelism, ect…remember the truth:\\
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WE ARE ALL FREE AND ALL ULTIMATELY ONE, BUT WE HAVE FORGOTTEN AND MUST REMEMBER THIS THROUH THE HARD WORK OF ACTIVELY CULTIVATING REMEMBRANCE…WAKE UP!!!\\
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  • |Re: The Truth Beyond The Veil\\
    by <jazzcat(shellshellsbells)> on Tuesday September 25, @07:36PM
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    …OH YEZ!!!…SING THAT FREEDOM SONG\\
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    IT BE BEYOND RIGHT AND RONG!!!\\
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    IT GOT THE FREE FEEL, ITS REAL!!\\
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    ONLY WHERE THE MAGICK CAN HAPPEN!!!\\
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    not in some old AEon, gutter religion, or politic\\
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    you who cry, “like DEATH for the dogs”\\
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    is it not an injunction to LET THE DEAD IMAGES BURY\\
    THE DEAD! IMAGES…???\\
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    you nay sayers, that cry that your pithy voice in not heard!…WE HAVE HEARD IT ALL!!!\\
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    DO WHAT THOU WILT!…IS THE FREEDOM CALL!\\
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    not the will of poisoned politics as usual\\
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    this is chaos that never died!!!!\\
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    TAO …and the Word…NUIT! HAVE YOU HEARD!!!\\
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    She is standing over us all bending over all\\
    human folly, she is the voice of the night!\\
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    she standith beyond the veil, and only the poetry\\
    of her universe will tell, the hiding of HADIT!\\
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    do not pretend to see her, if you cover your self\\
    in medals, and layers of pretense,\\
    and say they are here or there,\\
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    there are neither here or there! black or white!\\
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    the jazzcat be layin down the riff, the more you attack it, the stronger I get, you cannot touch\\
    me with your bogus credentials, sticks and stones\\
    can break my bones jones, but your linear pity\\
    words can never hurt me!!!\\
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    ALONE IN THE DESERT, WE STAND!!!!\\
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**Re: The Truth Beyond The Veil**
by <jazzcat> on Tuesday September 25, @12:52AM

[In the Shells]


  • |Re: The Truth Beyond The Veil\\
    by Koronis the Traitor on Tuesday September 25, @12:01PM
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    Hey, Jazzcat\\
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    A wise cook knows that the most potent broth is made from simmering the shells…all the best flavours are still stuck in there, remaining hidden when the easy meat comes out…I can kinda understand you stirring the Hell Broth when the band strkes up:\\
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    jingo bellz jingo bellz\\
    here we go again\\
    letz see how many we can kill\\
    only seven thousand dead\\
    hey!\\
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    so…..\\
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    hey? hey! whaddaya say?\\
    sometimes good things are APK'd\\
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    i'm really starting to enjoy your comments but, like, it takes more to make a fascho than disagreement with jazzcat, no? it is far too easy to call someone a nazi…or a crusader…or a traitor…\\
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**Re: The Truth Beyond The Veil**
by <jazzcat> on Tuesday September 25, @01:12AM

[In the Shells]


**Re: The Truth Beyond The Veil**
by Fra THA;M on Tuesday September 25, @12:34PM

[In the Shells]


Re: The Truth Beyond The Veil\\
by <Azag> on Tuesday September 25, @01:23PM
Is this a report from the front lines of your own ego conclusive inner Narritive, or are you somehow trying to seperate yourself from the more unsavory “Idealouges” - by carving out your proclamation in a purly pixelated proving ground???\\
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The need to vocally poloarize to and fro dosent speak much in itself. Im just appealing to the greater maturity abounding.\\
Whats Love got to do, Got to do with-it?\\
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93\\
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Re: The Truth Beyond The Veil\\
by Fra THA;M on Tuesday September 25, @04:16PM
“…are you somehow trying to seperate yourself from the more unsavory Idealouges”\\
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Separate myself? I was joining the ranks! Unsavory idealogues? What tastes sweet to me, what I savour as ambrosial…this same flavour you might spew out as bitter. Welcome to the ranks, brother.\\
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In Almousin-metatron.\\
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  • |Re: The Truth Beyond The Veil\\
    by <Azag> on Tuesday September 25, @04:52PM\\|

    hehehe thx. :]\\


Re: The Truth Beyond The Veil\\
by Fra THA;M on Tuesday September 25, @04:09PM
How on earth was that a shell-able post? I made a broad and general statement, aimed at no one specifically. Gee whiz, lighten up.\\
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Re: The Truth Beyond The Veil\\
by <Xnoubis> on Tuesday September 25, @04:19PM
I disagree. As a comparison, Azag's response to your comment is not derogatory. Yours – although phrased quite elegantly – is.\\
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[Let me again recommend the beastbay_admin group for debates about policy.]\\
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Re: The Truth Beyond The Veil\\
by KNOW BODY on Tuesday September 25, @06:14PM
I will try my best to state this in a way that won't land me in the shells. My point is not to insult, but:\\
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While jazzcat and anyone else has a right to express themselves in anyway they like, I am moved in my own way to express that this constant rambling on, moving off topic, insulting of other religions and beliefs is more than a tab bit annoying. If you will notice on just about any given thread here, these interjections of unrelated, bad psuedo-poetry crop up, usually derailing the entire thread into being about something jazzcat experienced in his glory days. Then someone will make a comment about it, which he again turns into another bad “poem” which has nothing to do with anything. Perhaps there is meaning in your words jazzcat, but you bury it so far behind the gibberish that I for one am not interested in digging in to it in order to decipher. It is selfish and annoying and really takes away a lot of the value that this website is capable of cultivating.\\
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When I see a post from jazzcat come up, that generally means the original point of the thread has been lost, or is not worth trudging through all the nonsense in order to pick back up again. I probably won't participate in your admin group, but for those of you in charge, I feel this is an issue that needs to be addressed. I would be willing to bet you lose a portion of your audience every time jazzcat hits the reply button.\\
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Re: The Truth Beyond The Veil\\
by <jazzcat(shellshellsbells)> on Tuesday September 25, @07:06PM\\
[In the Shells]\\
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Re: The Truth Beyond The Veil\\
by <Mordecai> on Tuesday September 25, @07:09PM
Sometimes “jc” is the first one to post in reply. I don't let that deter me if I want to respond to the article, but you're right, it can often lead to a string of idiotic verbal tantrums which is certainly a big turnoff to most of us. I'm also not a big fan of his poetry (though he's not at all without talent, he just seems never to have heard of editing or irony), but I've learned to just skim over his poems. They don't bother me. His rants do create other policy issues, but I'd rather see that kind of discussion on an admin group thread.\\
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Re: The Truth Beyond The Veil\\
by <jazzcat(shellshellsbells)> on Tuesday September 25, @07:15PM
Mordecai…the irony guy!!\\
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that was a low dig!!!\\
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how ironic!!!\\
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another anti poet unpoetic sort!\\
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the irony critic…SNORT!!!\\
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Re: The Truth Beyond The Veil\\
by <Mordecai> on Tuesday September 25, @09:36PM
Is there something wrong with me having an opinion about your posts? You certainly have opinions about mine. And if you truly believe that because I don't care for your poetry I am therefore “another anti poet unpoetic sort!” then you are hardly one to lecture other people about being egotistical.\\
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Re: The Truth Beyond The Veil\\
by <jazzcat(shellshellsbells)> on Wednesday September 26, @02:16AM\\
[In the Shells]\\
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Re: The Truth Beyond The Veil\\
by <Mordecai> on Wednesday September 26, @10:06AM
>you don't know anything about being a poet!\\
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Thanks for the laugh. You apparently don't know anything about yourself :-)\\
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Re: The Truth Beyond The Veil\\
by <jazzcat(shellshellsbells)> on Thursday September 27, @12:02AM\\
…Mord A ki, the muffen man!\\
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you are so laughable that, it make me nod!\\


Re: The Truth Beyond The Veil\\
by <jazzcat(shellshellsbells)> on Thursday September 27, @12:27AM
Mordecai, YOU DONT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT YOURSELF!\\
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I remmember you at our mass, and YOU REALLY DIDn't know anything, and after all these years you are still the same…mental and more mental\\
intellect and more intellect!…bla bla bla!\\
I remember going to your apt, I think that was one of the most boring days in my life…!!!\\
BORING DAYS!!..no wonder we never did it again\\
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you talk like you are some beacon of wisdom!\\
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no you are a self satisfied person!\\
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that plays the roll, the roll you know so well!\\
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the Mordacai roll!\\
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Re: The Truth Beyond The Veil\\
by KNOW BODY on Thursday September 27, @02:19AM
Utter garbage. This ongoing delusion dialogue that jazzcat is having with himself is a shameful waste of bandwidth. I feel sorry for you Xnoubis as your hands and eyes must be getting tired from having to find and move every other post on this site into the shells. jazzcat puts down everyone here (even those who for whatever reason find his hogwash amusing) and shows an utter lack of respect, coherency or ability to follow even the simplest of threads. He jumps to insult other posters and for the most part it is usually always uncalled for, like this junk above with Mordecai. If it was my site I would bar him from posting and rid myself and my audience of the misery.\\
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  • |Re: The Truth Beyond The Veil\\
    by KNOW BODY on Thursday September 27, @02:30AM
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    p.s. I apologize to everyone else here even for my last post, as I am sure that it will only serve to inspire another god-awful “poem” for us all to suffer through. Something needed to be said though as this is getting ridiculous.\\
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Re: The Truth Beyond The Veil\\
by <Mordecai> on Thursday September 27, @09:12AM
>I remember going to your apt,\\
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I know you'll probably never wise up, never get a clue about silence, but don't you even realize that the more you post the sillier and more “BORING” you appear? For instance, I don't know who you are confusing me with, but I assure you that you have never been, and never will be, in my home. Your projections on other people are so ludicrous; how can you know my educational or economic status or those of Fra. THAM or of the others you so readily insult? And besides, do you really think that your audience agrees with your anti-wealth and anti-knowledge posturings? Sheesh, what a lonely little man you've become in your Socal exile!\\
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Re: The Truth Beyond The Veil\\
by <Kaladevi> on Friday September 28, @05:36PM
Darling jazzcat,\\
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I love your stream of consciousness for you are divinely inspired, dear one, and I do love the currents, the eddies and the flow.\\
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I don't know who/what Mordecai was when you and your sweetie were in these parts, but, I spent the better part of the afternoon and evening this Fall Equinox with Mordecai, his wife and daughter. It was such a sweet, loving space, listening to Mordecai and one of the men I am in love with singing folk songs… getting to know a whole new group of wonderful, warm-hearted people.\\
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Love,\\
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Kaladevi\\
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Re: The Truth Beyond The Veil\\
by <jazzcat(shellshellsbells)> on Tuesday September 25, @07:10PM\\
[In the Shells]\\
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Re: The Truth Beyond The Veil-Jazzcat\\
by <anonymous93> on Tuesday September 25, @09:32PM
Hey Jazzcat, don't fret brother.\\
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You will not find too many… ummn.. I don't know what to call them… Ummnn– People who really get the work? People who succeed at the work?\\
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Whatever you call them.. they are .. few and far between and most likely you will not see them in here.. or out there.. nor anywhere.\\
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Who cares if some wear our robes and talk the words and don't get it.. there are those who never picked up the book of the law, never have done a ritual and DO get it.\\
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Do you recall the piece written by A.C. entitled the “Green Goddess”?\\
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I will quote an appropriate piece.\\
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“Imagine to yourself the mental state of him who inherits or attains the full consciousness of the artist, that is to say, the divine consciousness.\\
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He finds himself unutterably lonely, and he must steel himself to endure it. All his peers are dead long since! Even if he find an equal upon earth, there can scarcely be companionship, hardly more than the far courtesy of king to king. There are no twin souls in genius.”\\
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By the way, I like your poems.\\
m0use\\
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Re: The Truth Beyond The Veil-Jazzcat\\
by <Kaladevi> on Friday September 28, @05:07PM
“Imagine to yourself the mental state of him who inherits or attains the full consciousness of the artist,\\
that is to say, the divine consciousness.\\
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He finds himself unutterably lonely, and he must steel himself to endure it. All his peers are dead long\\
since! Even if he find an equal upon earth, there can scarcely be companionship, hardly more than the\\
far courtesy of king to king. There are no twin souls in genius.”\\
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Um, isn't genius divine inspiration? I see genius around me, all the time but, don't feel lonely. I don't feel alone in the awakening/enlightenment, either. Far, far from it. Isn't attaining full consciousness realization that we are all one? Doesn't that mean true intimacy without fear? Isn't saying that there are no twin souls in genius to say that genius is ego involvement? The minute there is discrimination between us and them, this and that, there is ego attachment, n'est-ce pas? Therefore, it seems to me that AC's definition of genius is flawed. Or am I confused and he was just saying what I'm saying… that it is the ego which causes one to feel loneliness/alone?\\
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Love,\\
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Kaladevi\\
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Re: The Truth Beyond The Veil-Jazzcat\\
by <Mordecai> on Friday September 28, @05:38PM
I think your point is well-taken as regards loneliness. What's generally meant by the term always demands that some suffering be involved in the experience.\\
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Aloneness, on the other hand, might well be a sign of “attainment”. Recognizing one's Self as “one without other” means being supremely alone. As well, being lonely always requires some other which one is missing.\\
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  • |Re: The Truth Beyond The Veil-Jazzcat\\
    by <Kaladevi> on Friday September 28, @06:54PM
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    That knowledge of aloneness (all-one-ness) is a realization temporarily accompanied by the feeling of fear of loneliness I go through each time I awaken to the full force of the current before I remember to slow down the light speed of en-light-enment (don't want to end up insane or dead - I want to get it right, this microcosmic lifetime). Mordecai, you witnessed that state in me, last Saturday (the result of priestessing Mass for the first time the previous week - an initiatory experience).\\
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    Loneliness/aloneness is a space of profound vulnerability which I find unutterably beautiful and useful for re-member-ing on all levels. It's how I be-come even more available to all at greater levels of intimacy/psychic connection. Yet, loneliness is a space that is foreign to me, most of the time for I feel the unity more strongly than the in-divi-duality. Being the Milky Way (the entire company of stars in one body) feels more natural to me than any other reality.\\
    But, even there is the realization that “I” as Milky Way/Ga-lactic Goddess must “devour” this reality in order to realize “My” wholeness. Ah, the irony. ;-) Strange to put into words which will, no doubt, be misunderstood. Where's that in-forming phallus of the ineffable when I need it? Priest! Deacon! ;-)\\
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    Speaking of the Handmaiden (the deacon being one form), I wonder if we are about to see Margaret Atwood's _The Handmaid's Tale_ come to life? Horrifying notion, I know. As Nuit, can't we collectively re-vision? Aren't there enough of us with a collective vision to form Her anus/sphinctre/colon? Isn't there a joke about that being the part of the body with the most control (over reality)? ;-)\\
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    Love,\\
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    Kaladevi\\
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Re: The Truth Beyond The Veil-Jazzcat\\
by Fra THA;M on Saturday September 29, @02:29PM
Those individuals who never attempt to burn away the husk of their ego; those individuals who never, like a moth to flame, allow themselves to be immolated in the spark of the divine, those individuals are truly the lonely. And more frighteningly, they shut themselves up so long that instead of metaphorphizing into something a little better they become abortive monsters, Black Brothers, so bitter and lonely that the only thing they are able to share is their suffering.\\
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Art may be a solitary endeavour, but it also means sharing with the viewer/reader, and is far removed from a lonely pursuit. Yet artistic genius isn't merely opening a conduit to the 'divine', it means taking the insights of the Trinity, and pulling it down the Tree. From the crucible of the Yechidah, Chiah, and Neschamah, these ideas must be filtered through the rigours of the Ruach, tempered by the magick waters of the Nephesh till a concrete object exists on the material plane. It is inspired, but it takes hardwork and effort.\\
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Re: The Truth Beyond The Veil\\
by Fra THA;M on Tuesday September 25, @09:51PM
Ah, he must be a master. He has the audacity to sit at his throne before his flickering electronic kingdom, and continually pass judgement. I bow to your edicts, to the universally applicable judgements of your personal perceptions. Hmm (insert a derisive snort).\\
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Re: The Truth Beyond The Veil\\
by <anonymous93> on Tuesday September 25, @10:19PM\\
thanks for the bow, slave.\\
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its about time.\\


Re: The Truth Beyond The Veil\\
by <anonymous93> on Tuesday September 25, @10:32PM\\
yes thanks for the bow, slave.\\
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it is about time.\\
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-m0use\\


Re: The Truth Beyond The Veil\\
by Fra THA;M on Tuesday September 25, @11:28PM\\
Ah, the venom of sarcasm, Mistress. Slave? Seek ye to dominate me, soror?\\


Re: The Truth Beyond The Veil\\
by <anonymous93> on Wednesday September 26, @01:08AM
Hmmn that sounds like it could be fun…\\
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Send a slave request form to my email address with all your information filled out on it including, age, location, size of genitalia, and availability.\\
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If your application pleases me and meets my requirements I might consider your application and decide to return the email.\\
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93-mouse\\
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Re: The Truth Beyond The Veil\\
by <jazzcat(shellshellsbells)> on Wednesday September 26, @02:26AM\\
[In the Shells]\\
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Re: The Truth Beyond The Veil\\
by Fra THA;M on Wednesday September 26, @01:00PM
Rich Kid? No material wealth to speak of, never available cash on hand. But thanks, I am rich none the less. I am interested how your 'unique' mind works, how you would make such bizarre assertions and a priori assumptions. I may have no assets but wealthy am I, and I am lucid enough to discern your nature and the depths of your poverty…\\
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“… it may be that yonder beggar is a King. A King may choose his garment as he will: there is no certain test: but a beggar cannot hide his poverty.”\\
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Re: The Truth Beyond The Veil\\
by <Mordecai> on Wednesday September 26, @01:05PM\\
or as J. Lennon put it: “One thing you can't hide is when you're crippled inside”!\\
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  • |Re: The Truth Beyond The Veil\\
    by <jazzcat(shellshellsbells)> on Thursday September 27, @12:08AM\\|

    and of course, Mort saul\\
    \\
    is so uncripled inside, ?\\


Re: The Truth Beyond The Veil-Frater THAM\\
by <anonym0use93> on Wednesday September 26, @09:59PM
Tham, 93.\\
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I haven't received your application yet.\\
Why is this?\\
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93 93/93\\
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m0use~~~.\\
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Re: The Truth Beyond The Veil\\
by <jazzcat(shellshellsbells)> on Thursday September 27, @12:13AM
…not yet, but you are on your way!\\
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you are a selfsatisfied, person, and you make up reality to suit yourself, and you hide behind the book of the law, you are not of it!\\
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so when your day comes remember, the poverty that you make mock of, will be who you really are!\\
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then YOU will not be able to hide behing your BIG WORDS…\\
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  • |Re: The Truth Beyond The Veil\\
    by <jazzcat(shellshellsbells)> on Thursday September 27, @12:16AM\\|

    the above post was ment for the kid!\\
    \\
    you know the one that isn't rich!\\


  • |Re: The Truth Beyond The Veil\\
    by Fra THA;M on Thursday September 27, @12:34AM
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    Self-satisified? Obviously, it is unfortunate you lack the merits to be satisified with yourself, truly unfortunate. You accuse me of perverting reality? Look inside yourself and define that term (besides that fact that 'reality' is so elastic you could argue against it's existence). You beleive that you are a Magus, that you are sole arbiter of thelemic politics, and in the depths of your 'reality' you fancy yourself a poet. I walk the path, but you seem to ride a high horse (thats walking backwards). Saddle up, pilgrim.\\
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    sincerely,\\
    Richy Rich, the saddest little rich kid.\\
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Re: The Truth Beyond The Veil\\
by frater tanrinin acheek gozenknee on Thursday October 04, @11:55PM
93,\\
\\
wow, this thread is has got me feeling that-\\
-that feeling i get when i read the USA today's\\
'war' coverage….\\
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…..granted, i havent posted or read here alot\\
but from what i have seen– jazzcat is one of\\
the brighter sparks that brings joy and energy\\
to my being, and the courage to go forward in\\
a world otherwise all but over run by fnords!\\
\\
…seriously i think its kind of scary that\\
it is not readily seen that jazzcat's comments\\
in this thread are very insightful, creative,\\
and revoultionary….while the responses to\\
jazzcats posts are just simply…..fnordish.\\
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…the emperor wears no clothes…may the be\\
cast out with the dogs, indeed.\\
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93 93/93\\
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frater tanrin acheek gozenknee\\
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ps\\
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goto:\\
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http://www.indefenseoffreedom.com\\
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Re: The Truth Beyond The Veil\\
by <Mordecai> on Friday October 05, @09:47AM
Many of the people who are down on “jazzcat” actually agree with much of his political stance, it's his personal insults and unnecessary denigrations that I, for one, don't like. Sorry if you think civility is “fnordish”.\\
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  • |Re: The Truth Beyond The Veil\\
    by frater tanrinin acheek gozenknee on Friday October 05, @05:23PM
    |

    93 all,\\
    \\
    so what i hear you saying is that you are sorry\\
    if i think civility is “fnordish”, did i get\\
    that right?\\
    \\
    93 93/93\\
    matt\\
    \\
    ps\\
    goto:\\
    http://www.indefenseoffreedom.com\\
    \\

Re: The Truth Beyond The Veil\\
by Fra THA;M on Friday October 05, @04:31PM
I have tried many times to compliment Jazzcat, but he's too delusional to enter into an intelligent discourse with. He brings confrontation on himself, living in his sad muddle of dispersions.\\
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Re: The Truth Beyond The Veil\\
by frater tanrinin acheek gozenknee on Friday October 05, @05:30PM
I have tried many times to compliment Jazzcat, but he's too not fnordish (and I'm to fnordish to see that) to enter into an intelligent discourse with a fnord. He brings confrontation on himself, living in a world of fnords, its hard not to and when he goes to the bath room it makes him have a sad muddle of dispersions.\\
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fnord? hey can i get put in the shells for using\\
the word fnord? it is the worst of cusswords\\
after all, hail eris!\\
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  • |Re: The Truth Beyond The Veil\\
    by Fra THA;M on Saturday October 06, @03:44PM
    |

    Jazzcat prances and dances in his juvenile lil' self-created wonderland, crowned with his conical magus hat. Only he doesn't realize that to everyone he encounters, he's wearing a big orange pylon on his head.\\
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  • |Re: The Truth Beyond The Fnordish “You know what”\\
    by <Azag> on Tuesday October 09, @02:29AM
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    …so based on this, and your own in-depth knowledge of fnordenism, are you positing that jc is seperate from the f-nords? Or would that be based on your fnordish perspective?\\
    \\
    And BTW, insulting, condemning, attacking or otherwise practicing shoddy poetry on another could be considered quite fnordish in itself. The pretense of “free speach” is a joke quite frankly.\\
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    Go stick that up your fnord, Im gonna go take a big “you know what” - if its big enough, that is…hehe\\
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    Hail “You know what”!,\\
    93 }:]\\
    \\

**Re: The Truth Beyond The Veil**
by <Ambrosius> on Tuesday September 25, @03:28PM

“God bless the grass that
grows through the crack.
They roll the concrete over it
and try to keep it back.
But concrete gets tired of
what it has to do.
It breaks and it buckles and
the grass grows through.
God bless the grass.”
- Pete Seeger

corny? Oyez! But truth grows like wild weeds & Love is the word of power we humans use to invoke the Almighty force of Change. Ya can't stop us, because WE ARE the very unfolding of nature. The fact of the field in which we evolve being predatory is ultimately in our favor because it makes us stronger and more cunning.

After reading the previous, I really didn't prove anything by it, so put it down as just my opinion. But in my experience Thelema is a force that just won't go away; love under Will doesn't quit because it is everything essential in human experience.

Government appears to me as Nature trying to fold back in itself, contain itself. But Thelema is the rule of natural growth. Growth in nature seems gentle and slow, as when you watch a flower grow over several weeks. But it's anything but gentle - it's inexorable and it will roll right over you if you get in the way.

Thelema is the strength & sight that lead to freedom. Keep scattering its seeds and it will grow and outlast any attempt to contain it.

Again, just my opinion. But I'm teaching my children well - trust no government, however well intentioned, that uses tragedy to take away personal liberty.

93 93/93 -A-


  • |Re: The Truth Beyond The Veil\\
    by <jazzcat(shellshellsbells)> on Tuesday September 25, @04:47PM
    |

    Ambrosius; I could give you a big kiss!!!\\
    \\
    thankyou thankyou thankyou!!!\\
    \\
    I think that its rather ironic, that because I\\
    defend my right to freedom of speech, on no uncertain terms, and I defend a person that\\
    makes a lot of freedom speaking sense\\
    \\
    I defend, against people that would go along with the madness, in the media and that evil empire\\
    leader in the white house, I defend against those who would lick boot, and march us pall mell into hell, I defend my right to be a thelemite and do my true will, on a thelemic forum,,,\\
    I defend the right to be a poet, and tell it like is, sing my freedom songs, sing the the voice of\\
    descent, of subversion, and inversion, sing it in my jazzy way, and let in the blues, cuz you know\\
    you gunna sing the blues, and rise the red flame\\
    in the name of “Do What Thou Wilt!, Love Is The Law,Love Under Will…defend aginst the right to free speech, which some on here obviously don't seem to care about, otherwise why would they attack me, I only represent myself, I a voice in the wilderness, cring out for change, and now we have so-called thelemites that would march lock step, so I ask what is right in the crazy world, if I speak truth I am damned, and If I don't speak truth I am damned to become one of the faceless masses, ironic but that is why I became a thelemite, so as to not march lock step, but to walk the paths beating my own drum!!!\\
    \\
    and if the irony is lost on those that read this\\
    and people just want to fit in, then I feel that is counter productive to the forse and fire of a thelemic voice…and VISION!!!\\
    \\
    for “the truth is beyond the veil”,and if thelema is made into a social club romperstomper room\\
    then I will dance with pan the only way I can…\\
    \\

**Re: The Truth Beyond The Veil**
by Alone In The Desert on Thursday September 27, @11:24AM

Sad to say, 3/4ths of these posts are demonstrating how much we ourselves are polarized. Where is the higher ground? Who walks the third way? Which of us can stand above the fray to see the clear light? As always, very few…very few…maybe the Buddha was right… Sweet Silence is the only response to the “emptiness” of the void.


  • |Re: The Truth Beyond The Veil\\
    by <Azag> on Thursday September 27, @11:40PM
    |

    I think that its merely a problem of presentation, and that some need either an evil villan, or a happy ending to feel complete. Some kind of reflective polarization. Me included. I think the difference between healthy and unhealthy expression lies in the “projection” of polarization onto outward ideas, situations, principles, people…and then never gets fully process, or passed through so to say - in an interior manner. hate never turns inside and becomes love. Youd think that after suffering such grevious wounds, people would themselves learn more compassion for others in like pain. Its actually, now that I realize it, related to not being able to to conside ones Ego as valid.\\
    \\
    The higher ground comes in realizing ones own ironic state of ploarization and counter polarization, and using this understanding to move towards unity, inside and out. It would be impossible , I would imagine, for a person to project anything else than what lies inside and those who have not found liberation of the self, wish all others to suffer thier same psychological fate. Misery needs company like no other. Lets hope, the mirror un-cracks one day,and those in such terrible pain accept themselves, love themselves - then those same reflective demons become siants, messengers of gnosis. The mirror becomes the third way.\\
    \\

**Re: The Truth Beyond The Veil**
by <Kaladevi> on Friday September 28, @06:00PM

“The Buddhist doctrine of codependant origination – that all
causes and effects are intimately interwoven in chains of
reciprocal causality – is a truth ungrasped by the fear and
anger driven mind.”

Er… we might all be better served by the use of the word *inter*dependent vs. codependent unless you do not discriminate between co-, inter-, in- and dependent.

“Where does such a philosophy of uniting opposites, Heaven and Hell, Christ and Lucifer, “Good” and
“Evil” Coincidentia Oppositorum, fit into this world of intensifying polarization?”

Love is the universally-recognized coin even by those who would shoot you for being a dreamer. Oddly enough, the answer is “don't worry, be happy.” This *is* the perfection.

Either that or continue connecting all the dots, awaken fully as the Star Goddess (for instance), slow time to almost a stand-still just so You can share a thought with all the stars (us) who are your body in a way that we each perceive it as a psychic connection and it lasts our entire itty-bitty lifetime so that, this time, we do it with grace and it feels “right.”

Love,

Kaladevi… fluid, time… veiled bride of the Microprosopus… happiness, the tree, blessings, the fortunate one… at your cervix. ;-)


Re: The Truth Beyond The Veil\\
by <Nekial> on Sunday September 30, @03:28PM
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law.\\
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Yes, Kaladevi! (imo)\\
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I am surprised at how many people, at first shock, have run back to their pre-thelema opinions, and how many have turned their back on the law of thelema for sake of hate and war-mongering and the warm fuzzy of “righteous indignation”.\\
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Without discussing or studying, I will just point at something we need to remember - do - every moment, heedless of what gets attacked, or what falls down:\\
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Thou has no right but to do thy will\\
Do this and no other shall say nay.\\
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Love is the law, love under will.\\
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~N\\
xoxoxo to all\\
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  • |Re: The Truth Beyond The Veil\\
    by <Mordecai> on Sunday September 30, @08:24PM
    |

    >I am surprised at how many people, at first shock,\\
    >have run back to their pre-thelema opinions, and\\
    >how many have turned their back on the law of\\
    >thelema for sake of hate and war-mongering and the\\
    >warm fuzzy of “righteous indignation”.\\
    \\
    I wasn't surprised. It was a profoundly disturbing event. It's true that as a longtime anti-nationalist and critic of US foreign policy in the Arab world and elsewhere I was never of the vengeful retaliation camp, but I was strongly affected emotionally, to the point of several sessions of sobbing uncontrollably during that first week post-outrage. I did see a few friends get caught up in the anger, but by now they all see that at the least the situation is far more complex than a simplistic “war on terrorism” implies. What's even more disturbing to me is the danger unconsciously revealed by Bush and his cronies with their “Freedom versus fear” slogan. At first it just looks like the same old meaningless advertising rhetoric, but think about it, what's the biggest enemy of freedom in the US? It's the fear that leads people to accept the sort of “security” legislation that restricts their freedoms. Former Generals like Powell may keep us out of unwinnable military adventures, Allah willing, but you can expect the outlawing of even those etiolated efforts at Internet privacy that are currently being made.\\
    \\


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