posted by Bastart in degeneral on 1/16/2006 12:00:00 AM

The Disorder is an attempt to stimulate some New Thought on Chaos Magic by creating a magical communication network with some structural features which help make Chaos Magic real. It is an Order about Chaos, and a Chaos about Order.

This is the Disorder Sigil.

Summary: A new chaos magic experiment involving a social structure with both hierarchical and chaotic features, ideal for various kinds of magical powergaming.


ABOUT THE DISORDER The Disorder is a New Magical Enterprise in much the same mode-and-mood as the Z-Cluster. It is perhaps closer to a magical experiment than a magical Order, although it has some features of a Magical Order.

The Disorder is also a Google Mailing List:

To join, send email to:

Joining this list makes you a member of The Disorder. is the Core Power of The Disorder, and Internal Affaris of The Disorder are governed by The Holy Powerball. The Powerball is drawn for a Lottery twice a week, and is a Symbol of Fate, as its result ranges from One (The Individual) to Forty Two (Life, the Universe and Everything.)

The Disorder has two forms of Membership: The Rabble, and The Hierarchy. The Epop of the Hierarchy owns the Mailing List, and leadership is chosen by Powerball. The Rabble have no administrative power.

THE HIERARCHY The Hierarchy is a Government who's rulers are chosen by chance, skill and magical power: to correctly guess the Powerball is to Rule!

The Hierarchy is ruled by an Epop, who is Chosen by the Powerball, and is the Owner of the List (via the Google Groups Management interface.)

The Epop has absolute power over the administration of the Google Group of The Disorder: they may change policy, ban members etc. at their whim, or pass this power on to others. They may also refuse to hold a Reshuffle in which case, The Disorder must migrate to a new list or die.

While in Power, each Epop may wish to run a social hierarchy on the List, ranking people their Number, with those who guessed Over the Powerball number being at the bottom of the Hierarchy.

The Epop will frequently take a name like “Epop Discordant XXXI” (31) recording their attitude and their Number.

JOINING THE HIERARCHY To become a member of the Hierarchy, you pick a number between 1 and 42. You then post a Claim to this number to The Disorder mailing list in an email message with the subject line: “My Powerball Number is %n.”

example Subject: My Powerball Number is 31.

The Posting of a Claim makes you a Member of the Hierarchy from the next Reshuffle (not immediately). This prevents people from picking a high position in The Hierarchy when they join The Disorder.

All Claims must be datestamped by Google Groups at least one minute before the Powerball is drawn at 10:59 ET on each Wednesday and Saturday. Any mail with date stamp later than 10:57 ET is elligible only for future Reshuffles.

Each Claim you make supercedes your prior Claim, of course. One can leave the Hierarchy at a Reshuffle if one posts to that effect before the Reshuffle begins, but not before (unless one leaves The Disorder.)

THE RESHUFFLE An Epop holds power until *ANY* of the six balls drawn in Powerball comes up with the number they Chose to become Epop. When the Epop's number comes up, it is called The Reshuffle. (The Number is the number the Epop Claimed, which may be Lower than the Powerball Number which Chose them - see the Example Section.)

The person who's publically declared Powerball Number is equal to or closest-to-but-under the Powerball Number at the time of the Reshuffle is the new Epop.

It is the responsibility of the Incoming Epop to post a message Claiming they are the new Epop before the next Powerball Drawing. If they Fail to notice they have become Epop before the next Powerball Day, the old Epop continues in power.

The outgoing Epop makes the new Epop the Owner of the mailing list, then drops their own Ownership.

At that point, the new Epop comes to power.

If there are multiple people with the same Claim number, they are all made Owners of the list and may rule Cooperatively for their Epophood, or any may oust another by using the Group Admin Interface to change the status of the other Epops.

Epops should not be shy about remaking the List Policies and Social Conventions in their Own Image, as this Power exists to be worked in creation.

One additional former Epop may be granted Owner status (but no right to use it) to prevent list administration mixups. This Epop is known by the title Lord Byron, for no good reason at all.

Finally, if the Epop's number comes up again (that is, they do not change the Powerball Number that selected them, and it comes up, both deposing and re-selecting them in a single act!) they are Inelligible for a second term, and the next lowest number is declared Epop.

THE RABBLE The Rabble are members of The Disorder who do not have membership in the Hierarchy. They cannot and will not become List Administrators, nor do they have the power to change the way The Disorder works.

However, neither should they be expected to obey the orders of The Hierarchy, except under unusually strict and domineering Epops, who still have the power to boot and ban The Rabble *at*their*whim*.

Power has it's privileges, but at least The Rabble don't have to worry so much about the Hierarchical Whims of the Epops.

While members of The Hierarchy owe it to the Hierarchy to Obey and should be expected to (at least on list!) The Rabble should do as they Please, under penalty of being Booted.

A WORKED EXAMPLE (think of these as emails headers)

From: Sitting Epop Sir Julian the Bastard, XII Subject: My Powerball Number is 1. Body: For the next time, I'm at 1.

From: Fred the Obscure Subject: My Powerball Number is 23.

From: Malicious Midget Subject: My Powerball Number is 31.

From: Jack Subject: My Powerball Number is 14.

From: Fred The Obscure Subject: Powerball Results - I'm the New Epop, know me as Epop Self Riteous 23. Body: 11 12 18 43 51 Powerball: 24.

As 12 was Sir Julian the Bastard's Epop Number, and it is Ball 2, I hereby claim my status as Epop of The Disorder, based on my magnificent Skill and Power by holding 23. Nobody holds 24, and I am the Closest, therefore I am Epop.

Julian, please turn over the Admin. I appoint you Lord Byron, also.

Now, what's happening here is The Reshuffle. Julian's Powerball number comes up, Fred the Obscure sees this has happened, and his guess of 23 is closest to the actual Powerball Number of 24, so Fred the Obscure in charge now.

The Hierarchy is now:

23: Epop Self Riteous 23, formerly Fred the Obscure 14: Jack 1: Julian 31 (bust, over 24): Malicious Midget, who's guess was Too High, and who has fallen to the bottom of the heap.

WHY? Most magical orders are ruled by either Unverifyable Claims of Magical Power, Social Popularity, or the Sheer Happenstance of having Started them.

The Disorder is a Magical Meritocracy: by skill of prediction or manipulation of the Powerball by Magical Means, one can rise to rule. It is a pure meritocracy. A Magical King-of-the-hill which uses publically available data to test one's ability to predict or manipulate an objective, external datum.

Furthermore, The Disorder cultivates a solid relationship with Chance, and should be understood to be a more fitting way of running a Chaos Magical Network than many other systems.

Come one, come All, to The Disorder. Let they who are blessed by the Holy Red Powerball come to power, and lead us all where they Will!


Mail me if you would like a copy of the Announcement in a nice plaintext format. has the list archive.

Interim Epop Sir Bastart the Just

posted by: Bastart on 2006-01-16 The Disorder is the correct URL, sorry about that.

posted by: Bastart on 2006-01-16 I hope this doesn't suck.

My Powerball Number is 8, bitches!

posted by: Ceilede on 2006-01-16

The Disorder, by the way, is a game about Power. There are three kinds of power it takes to stay on top:

1> Predictive Power: guess the powerball! 2> Manipulative Power: *make* the Powerball hit your number. That could be hard! 3> Social Power: Get the person who's currently Epop to be nice to you.

My hope is that by putting the Power Dynamics front and center, and furthermore by putting them outside of the non-Magical control of any participant, it may be possible to create a discussion space which is partially free from the annoying bullshit implicit powegames which are so much a part of so much magical discussion.

The Epop is expected to Make Things Happen, to Rule, to Fuck Around. The Hierarchy is expected to toe the line, and power to flow from Higher Numbers to Lower Numbers, until those who Bust are at the bottom, below even the Rabble.

The Rabble are expected to disobey, just hoping not to piss off the Epop enough to fire them out of the The Disorder entirely. It would, of course, be sterile without them.

If you'll play this game with me for awhile, I think you'll see fascinating aspects of Power in the Material World reveal themselves. The Disorder is a Magical Game to Reveal the True Nature of Power, among other things.

Who's in, and what's your number: join and post to the list, as Claims in this thread are invalid.

Epop Bastart the Just, I

posted by: Interim Epop Sir Bastart the Just, I on 2006-01-17 By the way, for anybody who hasn't done the math, Epops change on-average about every month or three weeks.

posted by: Interim Epop Sir Bastart the Just, I on 2006-01-17 Ever played Nomic? Someday I hope to find some people who will play it with me.

posted by: Ceilede on 2006-01-17 Yes, I played a game or two in Cambridge back-in-the-day.

There are internet games, no?

posted by: Interim Epop Sir Bastart the Just, I on 2006-01-17 Several games of nomic are web-based. I loved the idea from the first moment I heard of it.

Since I'm writing anyway, I have a question: how are the numbers drawn, exactly and who does the drawing?

posted by: Lukas on 2006-01-17 WTF? I got confused before I even followed the link here from Barbelith. Now I am even more confused?

posted by: Fell on 2006-01-18 Well, that's disorder for ya!

posted by: lvx23 on 2006-01-18 This post clarifies a good deal of how The Disorder works

posted by: Epop Bastart the Just, 1 on 2006-01-18